Subject	Here I was thinking the debate was whether or not it was a
Posted by	LJZTT on August 17, 2007 at 5:12 PM
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In Reply To	"Irrational Z-worship," that's a great term. posted by BradZ (FL) on August 17, 2007 at 04:32 PM
Message	"major" design feature, as opposed to a useless gimmick. Only reason the debate becomes a debate is because the numbers are ignored for false perceptions by some folks. Tsk tsk, some people just don't know when to stfu search said you suck (n/m) - Wilks. 01:38:02 09/06/06
Follow Ups	94+ HICAS upgrade? - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 11:54:15 08/17/07 Pretty sure you'd need a '94+ TT subframe, the NA bits for - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:03:42 08/17/07 Thanks for the insight, I guess I will pass - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:41:35 08/17/07 LOL, you consider HICAS a *major* design feature? :) (n/m) - Inzane 12:07:31 08/17/07 look at slalom speeds with and without it - LJZTT 12:17:04 08/17/07 hmm. Interesting. I think it's kind of half a dozen one way - MixManMash 12:26:10 08/17/07 i personally think its the driver who thinks - Alan(NJ) 12:29:53 08/17/07 2nd. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:30:53 08/17/07 3rd (n/m) - AntiHero 12:36:54 08/17/07 Very good point. It's like having a tool and not knowing - MixManMash 13:06:42 08/17/07 exactly. Guys also try to justify it by saying saves weight - Alan(NJ) 13:12:43 08/17/07 And you're basing your entire argument on a NISSAN produced - Inzane 13:19:42 08/17/07 no im not. - Alan(NJ) 13:28:07 08/17/07 You do realise your TT has different spring rates, different - Inzane 13:31:57 08/17/07 I'd be willing to bet over half the people logged in - LJZTT 15:22:04 08/17/07 And now you think the oem Z32 suspension is "significantly - Inzane 22:59:05 08/17/07 No data indicates differently. Do you have two new examples - LJZTT 17:18:09 08/18/07 TT also has different springs and sways - aliaZ 13:32:17 08/17/07 i know that (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:34:44 08/17/07 then why compare your NA to your TT? - aliaZ 13:42:00 08/17/07 sorry. i'll go sit in the corner for 5 minutes (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:46:45 08/17/07 no worries (n/m) - aliaZ 14:07:04 08/17/07 Or finding a tool in your toolbox that you don't NEED but - Inzane 13:21:30 08/17/07 Like I said it's 50% one way, half a dozen the other. - MixManMash 14:12:25 08/17/07 This is driving me crazy!! - na300zx (OH) 14:42:19 08/17/07 actually.... - LJZTT 15:26:30 08/17/07 Oh wow. Sorry to have upset you so much over something so - MixManMash 12:43:26 08/18/07 That quote wasn't directed at you. I was just giving an - na300zx (OH) 15:02:59 08/18/07 No worries. (n/m) - MixManMash 11:11:13 08/19/07 yep (n/m) - ZLover4Life 00:39:01 08/18/07 the only problem is that the other half have nothing to - LJZTT 16:18:09 08/17/07 A simple speed test through a serpentine doesn't paint the - Inzane 13:00:02 08/17/07 It was developed via testing at Nurbergring, not a simple - Technomancer 14:53:51 08/17/07 Hey! We've had this conversation before! - Technomancer 14:59:17 08/17/07 Put the drugs down. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:00:05 08/17/07 I know you like to follow me around - Technomancer 17:12:55 08/17/07 Over your head a usual. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 12:45:22 08/18/07 Yes, and you know what? I checked the reference source you - Inzane 22:55:49 08/17/07 nope but you add flatout grip and you have quite a barometer - LJZTT 16:19:53 08/17/07 check it out - Alan(NJ) 12:43:32 08/17/07 Johnny on the spot with the video! Beat me by 1 minute - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:47:50 08/17/07 slow day at work - Alan(NJ) 12:50:10 08/17/07 I'm ignorant? I didn't say it was a "bad feature". Can - Inzane 13:17:41 08/17/07 i didnt call any names out or direct it to anyone - Alan(NJ) 13:19:17 08/17/07 i would consider the Zs suspension - Alan(NJ) 13:22:04 08/17/07 I HAVE watched the video, more than once. The nice CAD - Inzane 13:28:23 08/17/07 i'm sure faster laps is extremely minimal - Alan(NJ) 13:33:40 08/17/07 2nd. (n/m) - MixManMash 14:14:56 08/17/07 "HICAS" is a major design feature. - eriksu9 14:52:29 08/17/07 and if it were so dangerous - Alan(NJ) 15:02:08 08/17/07 Check your facts. - BradZ (FL) 15:11:37 08/17/07 the preludes did not operate at the same speeds as the Z (n/m) - LJZTT 15:28:19 08/17/07 I realize that... - BradZ (FL) 15:40:40 08/17/07 at the speeds the Z's operated, yes it was - LJZTT 15:56:36 08/17/07 I never used the term "gimmick," FWIW. - BradZ (FL) 16:00:39 08/17/07 I know, I was using that term. - LJZTT 16:15:50 08/17/07 Sure, it gives it an edge. - BradZ (FL) 16:38:44 08/17/07 Maybe Sport Compact Car can tell you - LJZTT 17:04:40 08/17/07 I dont agree with your explanation if that is what it is. - eriksu9 15:32:34 08/17/07 **Honda not Subaru.*** :) (n/m) - eriksu9 15:34:38 08/17/07 How many other cars? - BradZ (FL) 15:54:12 08/17/07 80's clothes yes. 80's technology, no... :) (n/m) - eriksu9 15:59:44 08/17/07 I would love to see you produce 3 1990cars, say....within 2X - LJZTT 16:07:49 08/17/07 "Irrational Z-worship," that's a great term. - BradZ (FL) 16:32:27 08/17/07 Here I was thinking the debate was whether or not it was a - LJZTT 17:12:55 08/17/07 There's much more to cars than numbers. - BradZ (FL) 17:23:11 08/17/07 of course, there is, but we aren't talking about that - LJZTT 17:35:49 08/17/07 Numbers are only as good as their driver. Anything - Guapo 17:27:02 08/17/07 of course but that has nothing to do with it being a - LJZTT 17:43:27 08/17/07 plus I don't think anyone means to say that someone is - LJZTT 18:01:51 08/17/07 The limit the car has is only what the driver is able to get - Guapo 19:10:46 08/17/07 I have to disagree, any car is only capable of so much - LJZTT 19:49:52 08/17/07 Nope, a car can only go as fast as it's pilot can take it. - Guapo 20:03:49 08/17/07 then nissan wastes their time engineering these cars at all - LJZTT 20:12:51 08/17/07 Excellent. When you've been beaten, go to hyperbole. I win. (n/m) - Guapo 20:16:09 08/17/07 I just agreed with you...oops - LJZTT 20:22:30 08/17/07 You've been proven wrong, yet you will go on forever - Guapo 20:26:26 08/17/07 Re: You've been proven wrong, yet you will go on forever - LJZTT 17:13:43 08/18/07 right (n/m) - Guapo 19:36:40 08/18/07 lol (n/m) - Kenny 20:48:51 08/18/07 None of those cars had systems as advanced as Super HICAS - ZLover4Life 00:38:10 08/18/07 3kGT had it, albeit a year later, I dunno how it was set up - LJZTT 15:59:34 08/17/07 Re: 3kGT had it, albeit a year later, I dunno how it was set up - ZLover4Life 00:36:37 08/18/07 NOTHING could touch it's handling in 1990, F40 included - LJZTT 15:53:52 08/17/07 Shrug. My car outhandles a stock TT. (n/m) - Guapo 16:32:59 08/17/07 ding. (n/m) - BradZ (FL) 16:42:10 08/17/07 cheater (n/m) - LJZTT 17:16:12 08/17/07 and its always nice to make a statement - Alan(NJ) 12:51:16 08/17/07 Nissans own 1989 (1988?) debut video says it is :) (n/m) - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:44:46 08/17/07 damn engineers ... (n/m) - Guapo 12:09:52 08/17/07 I don't know, but I think wiring it up would be way too hard - Aqualung 12:10:38 08/17/07 More trouble than its worth (n/m) - EricTTZ 13:09:32 08/17/07 HICAS sucks (n/m) - Guapo 13:22:53 08/17/07 have you ever had it (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:25:10 08/17/07 I have driven with it. (n/m) - Guapo 13:26:33 08/17/07 Having driven with HICAS & without - Adam (NoVA) 14:13:49 08/17/07 which do u prefer (dont be bias) (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 14:16:36 08/17/07 like I said, not enough to notice (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 14:23:56 08/17/07 If you are using it on a roadcourse, you are doing something - LJZTT 15:25:07 08/17/07 HiCAS sucks a snow leopards d with heinz tomato ketchup (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 15:14:07 08/17/07 Too complex/heavy for the return, replace w/ NA adj toe rods (n/m) - 300zx90 (CO) 15:51:45 08/17/07
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